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Octaman
is a
freelance writer and defender of the rights of Jewish people
to keep ALL the Land given to them by G-d, and to REMAIN JEWS. He
was inspired by the first
Christian
Zionist, Charles Taze Russell, who is
documented as a non-proselytizing friend of the Jewish people by the
government of Israel. He was very careful to point out that the
role of the Jew is distinct and separate from that of the Christian in
the plan of God. This Bible fact has been overlooked by
Christendom, which has largely rejected the role of the Jews in God’s
plan.
"The so-called Christian people have tried
to enslave the Jew, corral him, ghettoize him, and annihilate him,
through means of death, inter-marriage and assimilation. The
WORST of the offenders have been the Christian churches and
organizations that have tried to convert the Jews, because if their own
message were so compelling as to be TRUE, it would NOT have been the
complete and abject failure that it has been to date..."
Octaman
Stance on
Judaism
What every
Jew should understand about my views and intents
No catches, no
tricks. I invite your scrutiny. In fact I require your skepticism! I am
a not just any Christian Zionist. I believe in “keeping Jews in
Judaism.” Not
Christianized Judaism either. I positively assert that the Jewish
people have a separate and distinct destiny from that of the Christian
people in G-d’s Plan.
I find it very much a
concern as I continue hearing about the current danger of Jews being
assimilated by
inter-marriage proselytization by many so-called “Christian” groups. I
stand
opposed to ALL of these groups, whatever the denomination. For over 20
years
I have held to the philosophy of the “Bible Students” – which is the
name
of a small but worldwide non-denominational Christian fellowship. Bible
Students
have been documented in Israel as being the non-proselytizing friends
of
the Jewish people. Here is the philosophy behind it all, which I invite
you
to read. It may stir the Jewish soul. http://www.octaman.com/comments/hippodrome.html
If within Israel the
definition of a “cult” is any group that is trying to take Jews out of
Judaism, then Bible Students cannot possibly qualify. Nor do they seek
money from Jews, nor wish to make inroads into their society. The fact
is, in their 130 year history the Bible Students have never taken up a
collection from anyone, not
even at their own congregations.
As for me, my personal
life has been a virtually open book on the web, on the radio, on music
cd. My own
efforts writing against these christianizing groups are documented.: http://network54.com/forum/89087
. I have always had the same philosophy regarding the Jews and the Land
of Israel, and there is no possible change! Eretz Israel for Aram
Israel.
The Land of Israel for the people of Israel.
Lyrics from the song,
“Pray for the Peace of Jerusalem”
…”It’s impossible to destroy the Jews!
Fight against them and
you’re going to lose!
The time has come to
choose
The devil or the
Almighty
Pray for the Peace of
Jerusalem…
Speak ye tenderly to
the people of the Book
That her warfare is
accomplished
Un-fazed by the moon,
un-caught by the fish.”
That last line of
course means simply that the Jews will overcome all efforts by Islam
and Christianity to destroy or assimilate them. This is a major part of
my message as I continue to seek a broader audience for my music, which
was not intended to be a message specifically toward Israel at all –
but just happens to be anyway.
Of course if you remain
skeptical I would implore every one, especially if they are Jewish, to
follow
one’s own conscience. Feel free to reject this overture. After all,
most
people are after money, and I have music for sale. But keep in mind
that
I have given up opportunities for worldly pursuits to try and get out
this
different kind of message at this crucial “Time of the End” (as we see
it
– possibly the very time of Jacob’s Trouble.) I have not made any money
before,
nor do I expect to now. As soon as the track is finished, I am offering
this song free to the Jewish people as a comfort message, which I see
as my only Christian duty toward them, now or ever.
Here are
some
letters to the Jerusalem Post over
the last several months.
Most are published.
These are not ordered chronologically. The first one I just found
in the archives, and had forgotten about it.
The Frog Boils
Octaman USA (29 Nov 2002)
Dear Editor,
In support of a "Palestinian State, Ariel Sharon says:
""Will we stay in Jenin, Nablus, Ramallah and Bethlehem forever?" he
asked Yediot, referring to West Bank towns the army has recently
reoccupied, implying that he favors a pullout. "Will we stay in Hebron
forever? Inside Gaza?"
According to the Bible, YES!
Too bad the Likud cast their vote for this man. Too bad because all
such efforts that are contrary to the will of the G-d of Israel bring a
forecast of misery in the coming months.
Israel has become the proverbial frog on slow boil, seemingly unaware
of their plight, just happy to have any old pond to call their own.
Time for a leap of faith!
Resurrect
the Ancient Worthies
Comments
to Arutz Sheva http://www.israelnationalnews.com
Dear
friends, Shalom.
Deep down, folks in all walks of life from all parts of the world are
fans of the Bible, and they look up to the Jewish heroes of old like
Daniel and King David, Joshua, etc. These ancient worthies were strong
against their enemies, and so deep down also, there’s nothing quite as
repugnant to the human soul to see a suicidal Jew, cut from the
opposite cloth than the heroes of the Hebrew Scriptures.
It’s subconsciously repulsive to them see Israel as a nation held
hostage to terror, meanwhile impotent to change the leadership that has
abandoned them to the whims of their Satanic foes.
This is not why there is global anti-Semitism, but this is why it is on
the increase. Israel’s indecisiveness is affecting the “undecided
voters”
out there, so to speak. Was there a rise in global anti-Semitism after
the
Raid on Entebbe? Quite the opposite.
When Jews are strong, people who respect the heroes of the Bible
rejoice, even if they are of some other religion, because most people
are exposed to
the Bible heroes in childhood, and the ancient worthies make an
impression not easily forgotten.
Don’t be suicidal Israel! Don’t cave in to the anti-Semitic world
opinions out there. Be like Daniel, Israel. Shut the Lions mouths! The
world won’t roar its approval, but they may stand in reverence and even
respect when they
see the sovereign nation of Israel standing up for right against wrong,
even
as the rest of world begins to feel the siege of terror at it’s throat.
It is Israel that will bless the world in the end. In that day, the
world will see the Ancient Worthies stand up again, and just government
will come.
“They shall sit every man under his own vine and his fig tree and
no one shall make them afraid, for the mouth of the LORD of hosts hath
spoken.” Micah 4:4
Octaman
Jerusalem Post
June
15 2003
Octaman United States (15
Jun
2003)
I'm ill just reading about it, so to actually be there would just kill
me to see it: The Jews are seemingly more eager to fight for Abu Mazen
and the PA than they are for their own people.
It's the strange syndrome of having empathy for ones own kidnappers and
tormentors, but it truly makes me sick to hear any Israeli Jew talk
about how their forces have to fight the enemies of the new Prime
Minister - referring to Abu Mazen of the Palestinians!
Do you really think his Holocaust denial camp has your interests at
heart? That he will dare to move against Hamas? Or that they are really
of two
minds about anything? In any event, after the PA/Hamas threat to the
sovereignty of Israel finally destroys itself, you'll say "Gee, why
couldn't we just
have done that in the first place?" Well you could have. At any time.
When it's alll said and done, after Hashem has protected the Land for
the Jews, the blood of the terror victims will still ask the question:
What
were you thinking negotiating with terror, and using our lives as
bargaining
chips? What ever made you think that these so-called "Palestinian"
people
were anything but the very knife designed by the Arab world to cut the
throat
of every Jew?
Unilaterally
Disengage for Real Octaman Gig Harbor WA United
States (25 Dec 2003)
Dear Editor,
In their efforts to remain "fair and balanced", most all the
news media outlets serve as ready agents for Palestinian propaganda.
Even though every report contains cut and dried facts, they "feel"
obligated to report BOTH sides, no matter how ludicrous the lies from
the Palestinian side are. I don't have to list for you the number of
occasions when their lies have been so blatantly manufactured.
Therefore it is long overdue that Israel should unilaterally
disengage from televised media appearances where they have invited
notorious Palestinian liars such as Hanan Ashrawi, Saeb Erekat and
Hasan Abdul Rachman and the like. That means Israeli ambassador Elon
Pinchas and
other spokespeople for Israel must boycott ALL such efforts by the
networks
at providing equal time to maintain the illusion of "fair and balanced"
news. Televised segments should only be done if there will be no Arab
rejoinder AT ALL.
The reason is simple. The Palestinians are expert liars. They
have their war-winning propaganda machine well-oiled, and they
have everyone on the same page when the cameras roll, from the
aforementioned high paid liars, right down to the lowly mayor of
Bethlehem.
When interviewed on Fox, the mayor did not fail to supply the
required catch-phrases about "the Israeli siege" and always, aways,
"occupation, occupation, occupation!" It’s as though they all attend
the same class every day, given by the master liar himself in Ramallah.
Fox also added to their scroll that the "cash strapped PA" could
provide
only "sparse decorations" this year. No story I saw mentioned their
leaders
billion dollar bank account!
The Israeli effort meanwhile lacks any cohesion, such
as whether to call it a fence, a wall, a partition, a security barrier,
or whatever! But in the end, whatever they DO end up calling it is then
turned over to the Palestinians to supply the definition for the world!
Worse yet, instead of presenting a unified front offering a
strong COUNTER argument to the lies of "occupation" etc., the Israeli
spokespeople are completely undermined because Israeli policy openly
AGREES with the Palestinian propaganda, that Israel IS the occupier,
laying “siege” to what the skilled propagandists never fail to describe
as “the poor hopeless parents who just want to send their children to
school."
No mention of what KIND of school it is! That's how the news
media works, or rather doesn't work: Absolutely no efforts are
made to get to the bottom of competing claims to see which is factual.
They will simply allow the Palestinian Arabs to make any claim they
like,
and then to make that claim until the anti-Semitic cows come home.
That's why Israel should openly declare that it will NOT play
along. It's not a game after all, it’s a war! And before any
Israeli spokesperson appears on the alphabet news networks, the
government
should first help them to strengthen and unify their message.
The one best way to do that would be to enact wise policies
based on the Zionist ideals of Herzl and Ben-Gurion. These ideals can
and will never fade, because the G-d of Israel has promised it! Any
and all actions that run counter to that Biblical ideal will only make
the situation worse and worse for all people involved.
Either that or send them to the master class being taught
daily
at the compound in Ramallah. Lessons in war propaganda 101.
NO
MORE ZEBRA MEAT!
December
19, 2003
To the
Jerusalem Post:
With
Sharon’s madness
waxing greater
and greater, only a zoo analogy can make sense of it for me:
Sharon
“threatening” the PLO (as they call it) with unilateral withdrawal
UNLESS the PLO acts to dismantle the “terror infrastructure”, is very
much like the leader of the zebras telling the tigers, “unless you
remove your own teeth and digestive system, we will unilaterally leave
our own grazing land and watering holes – to you.”
FIRST,
any child of four years of age could tell you that tigers CANNOT remove
their own teeth! Therefore, for such a request even to be made of
them is not only dismissed on the surface as completely
unworkable, but it is also evidence of complete insanity.
But
WHY and HOW you may ask, does this analogy work? The Palestinian
Arabs are certainly not tigers! They are human beings who would
be appeased to receive most of the land they wanted, of course!
Once Israel withdraws, the Arabs will be delighted, and peace should
begin, right?
Not
true, as we well know by now. The analogy is wrong only in that
it insults the world’s tigers. IF the PLO Arabs were truly “human
beings”, then they would not be killing left and right, teaching their
children the cult of death, etc. IF they were truly human beings,
then they should be DELIGHTED with such an offer of withdrawal, and
things would naturally become more peaceful. However….
WHAT
do they say? Same thing they always say whenever Israel caves in
to them, insanely withdrawing from it’s own territory, easing
restrictions to allow bombers in, or negotiating with terror “chiefs”
like Arafat and Erekat: Just listen to them! They say it is
an “insult” and a “grave mistake” for their enemy to withdraw from his
own land that they themselves desire! They would even call a full
Israeli white flag of surrender a “declaration of war.”
WHY?
Why do
they continually say such things when it really looks like they are
getting what “human beings” desire? They win the Land, their own
state, national identity, valuable resources, etc.
Why do you think the tigers would still be mad at receiving such a
windfall, such a boon offered to them, like the final withdrawal of
their traditional victims, the zebras?
BECAUSE!
YOU DUMMY! A child of four could tell you!
Such a “plan” to them is a total disaster for one reason and one reason
alone! There wouldn’t be any more zebra meat! No
self-respecting tiger wants to come home with a VOLUNTEER zebra in its
mouth.
They need to pounce, kill and eat – or else they don’t feel much like
the tiger that is their nature to be.
How
could any sane leader make such an offer to ones natural enemy?
Sounds like collective zebra suicide. Obviously the fully toothed
tigers will simply move in to the new empty region, and pursue the
zebras from their own abandoned homeland. THEN the leopards will
take note of the situation, but alas, unable to remove his own teeth,
or spots for that matter, the last of the zebras will be forced BY
THEIR
LEADERS to make their last stand, but with no further place to go.
We
need the Lion! “The Lion of Judah shall break every chain.”
Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.
Octaman Washington
State
August 19, 2003
US URGES RESTRAINT
In reaction to today's terror attack, we are urging our
friend
Israel: PLEASE show restraint!
As long as there are any Jews left alive anywhere in the
world,
we are urging them to use restraint. We cannot abandon the Road
Map to peace, to when Israel will finally REST IN PEACE.
More goodwill gestures on your part, such as giving up your
religion for instance, would help right about now. But don't
react harshly with words, or by refusing to meet with
them, or by refusing to release prisoners and towns to
them. That only perpetuates the cycle of violence.
Insincerely,
Octaman
USA
World
War
I
& II Never Ended: My letter to Jerusalem Post
November 20
2000 at 7:06 PM
To the
Jerusalem Post:
Noting your editorial comparing Barak to Neville Chamberlain:
After WWI, the Germans seethed in anger over the partition lines drawn
up in the 1918 armistice. Hitler drilled it into their
youth that one day they would re-enter the rhineland and conquer
victoriously to re-gain what was lost, biding their time until the
opportunity presented itself via Neville Chamberlain.....
After WWII, it was the Arabs who seethed in anger over the partition
lines drawn up in the 1948 partition plan. To this day Arafat, a direct
blood relative of the co-author of the final solution, has
drilled it into their youth that one day they will re(?)-enter their
"homeland" and conquer victoriously, biding their time until the
opportunity
presents itself through folks like William Clinton and Prime Minister
Barak.
It may take WWIII, but the Bible promises that Israel shall bless all
nations, after they all stumble over her undivided capitol. Fear not,
Israel. Thus saith the Lord, "The Land is mine!" - and He gave it to
the Jews.
LETTER
TO ISRAEL:
FROM
THE MOSLEM
WORLD
on
behalf of ALL
HUMANITY
By Octaman
“You wouldn’t hurt us would you
Israel? We of the Moslem hateful world surrounding you in the
hundreds of millions. We are human beings too you know. I
mean, look, you wouldn’t want to injure us just to protect yourselves,
would you? I mean with your formidable armed forces you could
inflict great damage on us and end our abilities to commit war against
you, but at
what cost? Eh Israel? Why, you would wipe out
c-o-u-n-t-l-e-s-s in-no-cent w-o-m-e-n and c-h-i-l-d-r-e-n…
and all for what? Just
to protect a tiny sliver of land with comparatively only a few people
on
it?
"What I mean to say
is,
Israel,
when we the Arab hoards descend upon your land to take it as ours, you
wouldn’t do anything foolish now would you? You wouldn’t harm
millions of women and children in Moslem cities just to protect a few
Jews, when you KNOW
you shouldn’t even be there in the first place, now...
"Look, you know
that your
religion is discarded as archaic. Your people are assimilated
into the culture of the United States. You are no Jews, so what
would you be protecting?
"Why do
you
exist?”
Better answer quick,
because one day the world
WILL
look on in horror, as if awaiting an earthquake or a meteor, wondering
what
the n-e-x-t f-e-w m-o-m-e-n-t-s will bring upon us all,
when
the Israeli Prime Minister decides how best to respond to what may be a
missing city or a mass invasion.
ALL EYES will be on CNN that day I can assure you.
And
the WHOLE WORLD will be clamoring, hoping against hope that Israel will
do NOTHING.
Atheists will be praying that day for the Jews to lay
down
and die, rather than to bring “the unthinkable” upon the world, in the
horror of a nuclear response to their threatened existence.
As an observer of trends in Israel and abroad, I can see
that the debate itself will immediately get in the way of Israel’s
defense. In just the time it takes to ask the question “why
should we respond when the world wants us out anyway?” – it will be all
over. That’s what all this nonsense has been about after all,
hasn’t it? To make you doubt
yourself into oblivion?
But the WORLD isn’t really afraid of you Israel!
They
are afraid of what your G-d will do to them because of what they’ve
done to you, and they should be afraid.
Octaman©
Octaman
Vs.
a Nazi/Arab Apologist
Discussion forum defense of Israel
Outlining The Purposes of God
in Permitting World Wars I & II
& probably World War III also...
"I'm curious as to
how others view or understand the reason or purpose for the permitting
of World War phase I, and World War phase II. My understanding is that
they were permitted
to happen as part of the necessary events unfolding within God's Divine
Plan. I also understand that the results of these two periods of world
war
brought about specific societal changes in Europe and elsewhere,
including
change in ruling civil powers as well as ecclesiastical powers. All for
the advancement of the "new order of things!" Also, the violence and
oppression
againsts the Jews during this time...for what reason or purpose if
any??
Your thoughts and comments??"
Posted
by Octaman,
April 12 2001, 8:58 PM
Dear friends,
I'm sure that there are a multitude of changes
that made the old order
weaken and that cleared a path for the new, but without going into all
that,
it appears that the Jews are the object of these events. WWI resulted
in
the fall of the Ottoman Empire and cleared the way for the Balfour
Declaration
for the Jews to return to their land. In my view WWI never ended, as
everything
in the Armistice was just a sort of temporary truce that was not very
binding - and the Germans never quit instilling into their children
their inevitable return to the Rhineland.
WWII was the driving force of many more Jews going
to Israel. The
Zionists were the "fishers" and the Nazis were the "hunters" of
Jeremiah 16:16. The Jewish state was born as a direct result of the
war, as world opinion was favorable to the Jews. They felt so sorry for
them, May 15 1948 came quickly.
I also feel that WWII never ended. The Arabs, who
attacked the Jews and
lost on that day, and who were co-architects of the Holocaust, have
never stopped instilling in their own children their "right of return".
Arafat is
the nephew of El-Husseini, who was the inspiration to Adolf Eichman.
"Right of Return"! What an absurdity. The Arab
rulers told their
citizens to leave temporarily - that it would only be a few days and
their armies
would kill all the Jews, and then they could return. OBVIOUSLY they
relinquished any and all perceived "rights" in this their demonic quest
that failed.
The seed of Abraham is established. Arafat's tide
is turning back on
him again. Jewish armies are poised to enter relinquished land even
now. He
is one of the most evil people ever born, but God keeps him alive for
some
purpose. Who else, I suppose, would be stupid enough to turn down
Barak's
generosity of the last Camp David conference? It was his last and only
chance
- not that he ever really had one.
Octaman
Octaman's Response
to
A Nazi/Arab Apologists Response
Posted
by Octaman
April 13 2001, 12:56 PM
Arabs and Nazis: The hand in glove
Octaman
had said previously...::
I'm sure that there are a multitude of changes that made
the
old order weaken and that cleared a path for the new, but without going
into all that, it appears that the Jews are the object of these events.
WWI
resulted in the fall of the Ottoman Empire and cleared the way for the
Balfour
Declaration for the Jews to return to their land. In my view WWI never
ended,
as everything in the Armistice was just a sort of temporary truce that
was
not very binding - and the Germans never quit instilling into their
children
their inevitable return to the Rhineland.
Nazi Arab Apologist says::
Nien on zer last bit. Nazism grew out of the economic depression that
Germany as facing. Imagine, you need a trunk load of German marks just
to
buy a loaf of bread. This economic depression was a result from the
extremely
biased and high compensation Germany has to pay as losers of WW1. While
Nazism seeked to restore Germany to it's previous splendor, they also
preached
the superiority of the Arian race. Thus German Jews, Africans, Gypsies,
etc. were slowly but surely eradicated. Just as Nero used the
Christians
to unite the Romans, Hitler used the Jews.
Octaman asnwers:
It is a fact that German children between 1918 and 1939 were taught
that the Rhineland was rightfully theirs. While there were many factors
that
led to the attack of the Germans upon the world, including economic and
racial, this does not negate the previous point. In fact the racist
motives
only serve to prove the point further, that WWI and WWII were
instrumental
in bringing the Jewish people back to their homeland.
Octaman had
said:
WWII was the driving force of many more Jews going to
Israel.
The Zionists were the "fishers" and the Nazis were the "hunters" of
Jeremiah
16:16. The Jewish state was born as a direct result of the war, as
world
opinion was favorable to the Jews. They felt so sorry for them, May 15
1948
came quickly.
NAA::
Nien! What sorry? Israel/Palestine belonged to the British empire
(after WW1). There was a rebellion in Israel. Zer British were treating
the Jews as rebels and they had their own little war there. The
reformation of the nation of Israel was not through pity but by
rebellion. The Palestinians
were forced out of their "homeland" (if the Moors had not invaded
Israel
and built their mosque on the very site of the Temple of Jerusalem,
this
sticky problem would not have
happened today).
Octaman asnwers:
The points made here do not preclude the aforementioned
facts from being correct. History shows that Israel became a state much
in part to the guilt that was felt by Europe and America for the
Holocaust. Specifically it was the ship “Exodus” that garnered world
headlines as it carried the
Jewish refugees from port to port, only to be turned away, ultimately
stopped
at the shores of Israel itself, and then deported back to the deathland
-
Germany. This story led to the State of Israel being born.
Octaman had said:
I also feel that WWII never ended. The Arabs, who attacked
the Jews and lost on that day, and who were co-architects of the
Holocaust,
have never stopped instilling in their own children their "right of
return".
Arafat is the nephew of El-Husseini, who was the inspiration to Adolf
Eichman.
N.A.A.:
Nien! The Holocaust was purely a Nazi Hitler invention. The Arabs had
nothing to do with it. ...
Octaman asnwers:
"Arafat's actual name was Abd al-Rahman abd al-Bauf Arafat al-Qud
al-Husseini. He shortened it to obscure his kinship with the notorious
Nazi and
ex-Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Muhammed Amin al-Husseini." Howard M. Sachar,
A HISTORY OF ISRAEL (New York: Knopf, 1976).
5.Eichmann's deputy gave eyewitness testimony about Husseini's
involvement:
"The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of
European Jewry and had been a collaborator and advisor of Eichmann and
Himmler in the execution of this plan.
He was one of Eichmann's best friends
and had constantly incited him to accelerate the extermination
measures." J. B.
Schechtman, THE MUFTI AND THE FÜHRER: THE RISE AND FALL OF
HAJ AMIN EL-HUSSEINI (New York: T. Yoseloff, 1965).
N.A.A.
....Arabs had no quarrels with the Israelites not until the
Palestinians started crying for help. ...
Octaman asnwers:
Perhaps you should go back and read your Bible. It began in Genesis
between Isaac and Ishmael. Read Nehemiah and Ruth while you're at it.
The "Palestinians" did cry all right, but not for help, but as a
political tool in the hands of the Syrian dictator who's goal is the
destruction of Israel and the death of all Jews.
Syrian
President Hafez Assad once told PLO leader Yassir Arafat:48
"You do not represent Palestine as much as we do. Never
forget this one
point: There is no such thing as a Palestinian People, there is no
Palestinian entity, there is only Syria. You are an integral part of the
Syrian people, Palestine is an integral part of Syria. Therefore it is
we, the
Syrian authorities, who are the true representatives of the Palestinian
people."
Assad stated on
March 8, 1974, "Palestine is a principal part of Southern Syria, and we
consider that it is our right and duty to insist that it be a liberated
partner of our Arab
homeland and of Syria."49
N.A.A.
And Arafat is not a man of violence, he has always been negotiating
peace with Israel since the 70s. Have you ever seen Arafat supporting
terrorism?
Octaman asnwers:
You are either joking, or desparately misled. I remember the 70’s,
watching the PLO murder the entire Israeli olympic team. I remember
Arafat’s murders. I've read how he killed his own friend with his own
gun when he was a young man. Now he rules a ring of terror that is
truly demonic. I suggest you
read “Philistine: The Great Deception” by Ramon Bennett. It details the
murderous crimes of Yasser Arafat.
N.A.A.
....If Arafat is th enemey of Israel surely they wouldn't want him at
the negotiating table.
Octaman asnwers:
And if he were not, what reason would there be to negotiate for peace
in the first place?
Octaman had said:
"Right
of Return"! What an absurdity. The Arab rulers told their
citizens to leave temporarily - that it would only be a few days and
their armies would
kill all the Jews, and then they could return. OBVIOUSLY they
relinquished any and all perceived "rights" in this their demonic quest
that failed.
N.A.A.:
We cannot change history. The Moors have left their own legacy in
Israel and the Jews today have to live with it. Problem is, the Jews
want Jerusalem (and the temple) for the completion of the FULL
RESTORATION which Arafat
is unwilling to give, coz if they do the mosque will surely be
demolished.
Octaman asnwers:
An accurate view of history gives us insight into what position we
should take regarding the Jews and the Land. Christians of all people
should know and understand that God gave the land to the Jews, and not
the Arabs. It
is a Jewish history that dates back thousands of years. The Arabs are
recent arrivals. True numbers indicate that there were far fewer than
the 500,000 the arabs claim to have had settled there. The actual
number is closer to 150,000 - and they only came because it was JEWS
who did the work to make the land worth inhabiting.
Octaman had said:.:
The seed of Abraham is established. Arafat's tide is
turning
back on him again. Jewish armies are poised to enter relinquished land
even
now. He is one of the most evil people ever born, but God keeps him
alive
for some purpose. Who else, I suppose, would be stupid enough to turn
down
Barak's generosity of the last Camp David conference? It was his last
and
only chance - not that he ever really had one.
N.A.A.:
Nien! Please read the History of Palestine from 1911 till today. Until
then you're not having a true picture nor understand the plight of the
Palestinians. BTW, Palestinians have Christians who are also suffering.
Octaman asnwers:
There is nothing in the history of the Land of Israel from 1911 until
now that negates any of the points previously made. The Palestinians
are a political tool created by Syria, and until you see that, you are
not seeing the true picture, of 6 million Jews on an island surrounded
and vastly outnumbered by hostile Arabs who are bent on the demonic
goal of the destruction of
the natural seed of Abraham.
In the words of the late military
commander of the PLO as well as member of the PLO
Executive Council, Zuhair Muhsin:50
"There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians,
Syrians and
Lebanese. We are all part of one nation. It is only for political
reasons that
we carefully underline our Palestinian
identity….yes, the existence of a
separate Palestinian identity serves only tactical purposes. The
founding
of a Palestinian state is a new tool in the continuing battle against
Israel."
If only Christians could see clearly the Scriptures, so that they would
know where to stand on the issue of the Jews and the Land - they would
stand with the God of Israel!
Jer
16:14 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the
LORD, that it shall no
more be said, The
LORD liveth, that
brought up the
children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
Jer 16:15 But, The LORD
liveth, that brought up the
children of Israel from the land of the
north, and from all the
lands whither he had driven
them: and I will bring them again into their land
that I gave unto their
fathers.
Condi
Rice to Follow Presbyterian Plan of Divestment in Israel
Octa-views
April 2007
Condi Rice is a dyed in the wool presbyterian. Her dad was a
presbyterian minister, and she is as devout today as when she was a
child. The Presbyterians have a very well known anti-Semitic
position in world affairs.
Three things you can count on from Ms. Rice, whether she be Sec. of
State or President or vice-President of the United States - (positions
she was encouraged to reach for by her parents):
1. She will support the idea of a Palestinian State, because the
Presbyterian church has been using the term "Palestine" for many
years. To them it is a given.
2. She will support the right of return of all Palestinian
refugees into Israel - thus destroying the Jewish State.
3. She will support an international peace-keeping force in
Israel, because that is the Presbyterian position.
The Presbyterian anti-Semites may well have their way up to a point,
but when the God of Israel stands up for His people Israel, there will
be no pity for them. Their religion is as vain as their position
against the Jewish people is void. Their doom will ultimately
bring down the United States of America, because of the American
success story of one Condoleeza Rice.
Signed,
Octaman
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